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June 12, 2011

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update: another woman joins death row

by Andrea O'Connell

June 12, 2011

Ana Maria Cardona / Credit: Miami Herald

Another woman, Ana Maria Cardona, is added to Florida’s death row.

We now have four women on Florida’s Death Row.

This is the second time she has taken up residence there.

Two decades ago, in Miami-Dade County, Ana Maria Cardona was sentenced to death for the murder of her three-year old son, Lazaro “Baby Lollipops” Figuero.

The child was left dead in bushes in an affluent area of Miami Beach.  The child’s identity was unknown, though on his badly beaten body was a T-shirt adorned with lollipops when he was discovered in 1990.  The dead, ransacked child was lovingly called Baby Lollipops.

The crime was brutal.  The child endured unspeakable torture, and Ana Maria Cardona was sentenced to die on Florida’s death row.

Cardona became the first woman to be sentenced to death for the murder of her own child.

However, her sentence was overturned in 2002 by the Florida Supreme Court, and Cardona was set free.  The reversal occurred as a result of the Prosecutor failing to release reports to the defense regarding statements made by Ana Cardona’s lover, Olivia Gonzalez, who Cardona blamed for the death of the child.

This past Friday, June 10, 2011, Ana Cardona was re-sentenced by a jury of twelve to the death penalty.

The jurors voted 7-5 for death.

The Judge Reemberto Diaz had no remorse for Cardona as he read the 15 page sentence he wrote which painstakingly detailed the horrors that this mother inflicted on her child.

The Judge recounted how Cardona beat the child with a sticks, belts, and a baseball bat.  She called the baby “The Devil” and would rub feces in his face, poke his eyes.  She knocked out the child’s teeth, broke his bones, starved him, and duct-taped a diaper to his tiny torso.  The diaper was rarely changed and Baby Lollipops endured extreme pain from the infections that resulted.

Casey Anthony could become the fourth fifth woman in the state of Florida currently sentenced to perish under the malevolent and inhumane specter of the death penalty.

Two More Make Three

I wrote this post, originally titled “women and the death penalty,” in February, of this year.  At the time, one woman was on Florida’s death row: Tiffany Cole.  Now, two more Floridians were added: Emilia Carr, Margaret Allen, and now Ana Maria Cardona.

The second revision included the story about Teresa Lewis, who was killed by lethal injection in Virginia last year, September 23, 2010 and realized I needed to add her to this sad list.  Now, Ana Maria Cardona – the monster.

Teresa Lewis

Of course, I remember the story of Teresa Lewis now.  You may remember it, too.  It was such a maddening, cruel and utterly sad situation, and it gives me goosebumps to think of this mentally handicapped woman being dragged to her death.

Teresa Lewis was convicted of Capital Murder for hiring hit-men to kill her husband and step-son.  She allegedly wanted the husband’s insurance money.  I say “allegedly” because one of the hit-men admitted that she was not the mastermind at all, the hit-man wanted a share of the insurance money.

Teresa Lewis - (AP Photo/newsPRos, File)

You see, Teresa Lewis, with an IQ of only 72, which places her near the mark of mental retardation, as defined by the Supreme Court, was sentenced to death. The hit-men were  sentenced to life.  But the hit-men, who each had the motive of that insurance money, and who claimed (long after the fact), to have masterminded the whole affair, were not given death sentences.

With an IQ of 72, Teresa Lewis was not close enough to mental retardation for the Supreme Court because they refused to take the case.  The State Supreme Court, a U.S. District Court, and the U.S. Court of Appeals, all ruled that Teresa must die for her crime.

According to a September 2010 Newsweek article, written by Lynn Litchfield, there was a letter from one of the two hit-men that Teresa did not “mastermind” the killing, he did.

See the Litchfield article here: Unfit for Execution

Women on Florida’s Death Row Today

Casey Anthony is faced with the death penalty should she be convicted of killing her daughter, Caylee Anthony.  If sentenced with death, Casey will join three other Florida female inmate death row:

Tiffany Cole, is now the longest serving female inmate on Florida’s death row.  She was sentenced to death in 2008 for her role in the killing a couple from Jacksonville, Florida.  The couple were murdered as a result of being buried alive.  Cole is currently on death row at Lowell Correctional Institution, which is situated in the Central Florida area, north of Orlando.

Emilia Carr was sentenced to Florida’s death row on February 22, 2011, in Marion County for kidnapping and murdering her boyfriend’s ex-wife, Heather Strong. She and her boy friend were co-defendants.  They lured Heather into a storage shed where they bound her with duct tape to a chair.  They then placed a plastic bag over her head and suffocated her. They buried her in a shallow grave, which was discovered a month later.  Carr is also in the Lowell Correctional Institution.

Margaret A. Allen is a very recent resident of Florida’s death row.  She was sentenced to death in Brevard County on May 19, 2011.  Her crime was the torture and killing of her housekeeper, Wenda Wright, whom Allen suspected of stealing from her.  According to the prosecutors, she tortured Wenda Wright for hours before strangling her with a belt.  Margaret Allen received help from her roommate, James Martin, and her nephew, Quinton Allen, to bury the victim in a shallow grave. The two were also convicted for their part.

_Ana Marie Cardona. Sentenced to death for torturing and murdering her three-year-old son. The child was wearing a shirt with lollipops on the front when his beaten body was found by the police in Dade County.  The boy was then nicknamed “Baby Lollipops.”  The sentence was vacated in November of 2002 and she was released from prison.  Will Casey Anthony’s case turn out as this one did?

Florida Executions since 1973

Since 1973, Florida has executed two women, Judias Buenoano, and Aileen Wournos.

Buenoano was sentenced in 1985 for the 1971 crime in which she poisoned her husband with arsenic.  She was also convicted, and sentenced to life, in the 1980 drowning of her paralyzed son. Then prosecutor Belvin Perry, Jr., prosecuted this case.  Buenoano was the first woman to be executed using the electric chair in the state of Florida.  Her execution occurred in 1998.  The now Judge Belvin Perry witnessed her death.

Aileen Wournos was sentenced to die in 1992 for the murder of a Clearwater, Florida businessman.  Wournos is also thought to have been implicated in the death of a number of other men, and is often referred to as Florida’s only female serial killer. You may recall the movie, Monster, based on her criminal history – her prostitution and terrible escapades with men.

History of Women on Florida’s Death Row

Since 1926, a total of 14 women who were sentenced to death, had their sentences commuted or reversed.  The commuting of a few of the sentences were a result of the U.S. Supreme Court, in 1972, determining that capital punishment laws were unconstitutional.  Capital punishment was reinstated in 1976, hence the death sentences of Aileen Wournos and Judias Buenoano.

One could clearly conclude that Florida does not like to impose or carry out the death penalty on women.  The woman on death row since 1976, who were sentenced to die, and were either released, or had their sentences reversed, have terrible but interesting cases.  I have outlined a short history of the women who were originally sentenced to die, below.

Sonia Jacobs.  Convicted for her part in the shooting of a Florida Highway Patrol trooper and his friend.  Her death sentence was overturned in 1981, and she was sentenced to life with a 25 year minimum mandatory sentence.  In 1992 her case was reversed on appeal, and she plead to second degree murder. She was released in 1992 because she her sentence included time served.

Kaysie Dudly.  Sentenced to death in 1987 for the murder of her mother’s employer – a wealthy Florida widow.  She was re-sentenced (possibly after appeal), to life with a 25 year minimum mandatory.  She is currently serving her time at Lowell Correctional Institution.

Carla Caillier.  Was sentenced to death in 1987 to death for the murder of her husband in 1986, in Tampa.  She was re-sentenced in 1988 (possibly after appeal), to life with a 25 year minimum mandatory.

Dee D. Casteel.  Sentenced in Dade County in 1987 for murdering an 84 year old woman who had been inquiring about her missing son.  Casteel and another person had ordered the woman’s son to be murdered the month before.  Casteel paid two auto mechanics to carry out the murder. Her death sentence was vacated in 1990.  She was then re-sentenced to life, but she died in prison in 2002, at the Broward County Correctional Institution.

Deidre Hunt. Sentenced to death in 1990 for the 1989 shooting of two men that she was paid to kill. She was videotaped killing one of the men.  She plead guilty and was re-sentenced to life in 1998.  She is currently at Homestead Correctional Institution.

Andrea Hicks Jackson. Sentenced to death in 1984 for the murder of a police officer, in Jacksonville, Florida. She filed a false report regarding a vandalized car and shot the officer five times when he attempted to arrest her. Her death warrant was signed in March 1989 but then stayed in May of 1989 by the Florida Supreme Court.  She was re-sentenced to life in 2000, and is currently serving her time at the Lowell Correctional Institution.

Ana Marie Cardona. Sentenced to death for torturing and murdering her three-year-old son. The child was wearing a shirt with lollipops on the front when his beaten body was found by the police in Dade County.  The boy was then nicknamed “Baby Lollipops.”  The sentence was vacated in November of 2002 and she was released from prison.  Will Casey Anthony’s case turn out as this one did?

Virginia Larzelere.  Sentenced to death in 1993 for the killing of her husband, a practicing dentist.  She was re sentenced to life in 2008 and is currently serving her time at the Lowell Correctional Institution.

Women on Death Row in the United States

Since 1976, a total of 12 women have been executed in this country.

Some statistics:

  • Since the year 1608, there are 568 documented cases of executions of women.
  • In the past 100 years, over 40 women have been executed in the U.S.
  • As of September 1, 2000 there were approximately 38 women on death row.
  • As of today, there are approximately 64 women on death row (the numbers will change as more cases are tried).

Will Casey Anthony be number 65?

In reality, the numbers do inform us that the actual instance of execution of female offenders, compared to men, is rare.  According to The Death Penalty Information Center, since 1608, confirmed cases of female executions account for only 2.8% of the total executions carried out.

The Supreme Court, in 1972, had it right when they ruled that capital punishment was cruel and unusual, and wholly unconstitutional.

Will Casey Anthony sit on Florida’s death row?  Of course it will depend on twelve men and women who are hearing her case, so it’s impossible to know. Will the jurors find the State v. Casey Anthony case so egregious – given the position taken by her defense – they will vote for death?

The death penalty outcome for Casey Anthony may be due to her incompetent lawyers.  If she is sentenced, the trial will immediately go into another phase called the “Penalty Phase,” where both sides must provide their case as to whether to give her death (State’s position), or Life (Defense position).

The penalty phase will be tried, on the defense side, by Ann Finnel. She is more than competent and Casey’s only hope for life.

Casey has her age and her gender in her favor, because if you read the stories of the women who had their death sentences reversed, chances are, if Casey Anthony is sentenced to death (and I hope she is not), she may escape death row.  In fact, many cases like Casey Anthony’s have resulted in reversals.

Because Judge Belvin Perry, Jr., is a careful Judge, his death cases have never been reversed – to date.  The Judy Buenoano case, tried by Prosecutor Belvin Perry, Jr., resulted in the penalty of death.  The now Judge Belvin Perry witnessed her execution.  It seems fair to say, then, Judge Perry is not opposed to death.

The Honorable Judge Stan Strickland, the original Judge in the Casey Anthony case, from what I have read, is considered be softer on sentencing defendants to death.  The defense in this case, however, campaigned to have  Judge Strickland removed from the case (for reading a blog), I am more than certain they are sorry now.

However, given the statistics, Florida clearly does not like to kill women.

We will see which way the wind blows in a month, or so.

References:

NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, Inc: http://naacpldf.org/files/publications/DRUSA_Spring_2010.pdf

Florida women photos and info: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/women.html

Research Article: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/femaledeathrow.pdf

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  1. mystymiss
    Jun 12 2011

    Gee! now Casey will have death row friends when sh gets there,

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  2. Jun 12 2011

    I am not a huge supporter of the death penalty but honestly if a jury of Casey’s peers decide that is her punishment I won’t lose sleep over it. Caylee trusted and loved her mother unconditionally if Casey is found guilty than she violated that trust and her punishment should be harsh. No child should ever be afraid of their parent. Every child should know they are 100% safe with their parent. And quite frankly I am tired of these worthless people doing the unspeakable because their life is a little messy with a child. Give them up for adoption. Caylee would have been so much better off with anyone except Casey.
    Weezie if you pop in Hi! I am doing good, busy a lot so it seems I always miss you. We need to have a ladies night. Maybe Andrea can work that into her busy schedule also. I am being cautious where I read, some blogs are putting the pictures of Caylee’s remains up and I am trying not to stumble upon them. :( My heart could not take it.

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    • Jun 12 2011

      Well said, Laurali~ I hope you don’t stumble upon the websites showing the remains either-what an awful thing to do. Evidently its OK with the court. I thought it wasn’t supposed to be for public viewing according to the hearing long ago about keeping it from the public’s view. :sad:

      I gotta say, I am very glad that POS of a mother is on death row! Its where she needs to be for all the torture she put her baby boy through. When will the life of the little victims be of a greater treasure to society than the murderer? :???:

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    • Jun 12 2011

      Hi Laurali! I am trying to avoid the photos, too – Just can’t take it. Sometimes I think that the death penalty is only just, but then I realize that people can redeem themselves, though they need to spend the rest of their lives in prison. The woman I just added to the list of Florida’s death row is a monster and it was a travesty of justice that her sentence was overturned. it took a long time for justice to be served to her, but now it is going to be. However, she begged the Judge for her life because she realizes now what horror she committed. She has three other children and is re-establishing a relationship with them. Her children don’t want to loose her.

      The death penalty is a difficult thing for me to understand

      Ohhh… and I’d love to meet up with you and Weezie! I use to have a “Chatroll” on this blog, but WordPress no longer supports it…. But, there’s AIM and others. :)

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      • Weezie
        Jun 13 2011

        What is AIM? Can’t you just do a post and see how we all fall down? We used to do it over at Marinade’s remember? Sometimes I used to roll on the floor with laughter. I think it’s time we tried again. The case is so severe that we need a little fluff, don’t you thinkl? You can start us off. Laural1 is the master at comedy. Where are all those wonderful nuts like Linda too. OK OK, I’m ready any time after 7pm. I should had a glass of wine by then. ha ha.

      • Jun 13 2011

        Hey there! I should be around about 7:00! AIM is an instant messager thingy by AOL. Anyway, talk to ya later!

        Sent from my iPhone

    • Weezie
      Jun 13 2011

      Hi Larual1. I’m hoping Andrea gets us going. I suggested 7pm onwards so everyone is home and ready for some whit. I know you have some zingers waitimg for us. It’s time to party tonight.

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  3. Jun 13 2011

    Casey obviously believes fully in the death penalty as she inflicted it on her daughter Caylee and what was Caylee guilty of to receive it? Nothing, just being a two and a half year old innocent of no crime little girl. Casey get’s Lawyer’s and a trial, a jury of her peers a 50/50 chance, Caylee got no Lawyer’s no juror’s, no trial, no 50/50 chance. Since Casey judged Caylee and imposed the death sentence on her, shouldn’t it be Caylee’s turn to reciprocate the same death sentence to her Mother? I say absolutely~~

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    • Jun 13 2011

      ITA~

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    • Weezie
      Jun 13 2011

      KO ….. That’s a KNOCK OUT comment you made. I wholeheartedly agree.

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    • Jun 13 2011

      Hi Knight Owl, You make an excellent argument, my friend. It would be difficult to argue that… I just can’t get past the death penalty being so wrong…. But, I understand the reasoning and if I were in the position to vote for death, I couldn’t do it, but intellectually i understand exactly where you’re coming from.

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  4. Jun 13 2011

    Hi to all here.

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    • Jun 13 2011

      Hi, Louie and knight owl!~

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      • Weezie
        Jun 13 2011

        Hey Sherry you’re invited to Comedy Central TOO. I forgot how funny you are too. OMG I can hardly wait.

  5. Weezie
    Jun 14 2011

    Anyone in the house? I just watched all the talking heads about today’s wrapup for the Prosecution. Does anyone have something funny to say? I need a laugh. Oh here we are, I’m watching Joy Bahar and she has Fran Drescher and her Ex husband on. He is gay and they are so oh so good friends setting each other up with partners. Isn’t that just lovely!!! No wonder the world has gone mad. I think i might want to save that kind of chatter for my friends and family. Does anyone think it strange to get on t.v. and air personal shit like that? I find it fuggly and annoying.

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    • Jun 14 2011

      LOL @ fuggly! Weezie…. I wish I was here earlier to laugh with you…. As soon as I got home from work tonight, I shot photos of my brother for his web site. (They came out great!) This past month to two months have been stressful for me. And especially now that the trial is going on… I try to watch the whole thing when I get home, but it’s usually impossible…. I was able to watch a good bit of it tonight, but by the time I get around to writing the blog, it’s after 10:00 and I can barely keep my eyes open! I sure hope the defense puts on a quick case! I’m ready to see this monster get her due….. Night to you and all…..

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  6. Chris N
    Jun 15 2011

    It pains me to read comments on websites like this concerning the “certain guilt” of someone like Casey Anthony. I’m sure those making such statements have poured over the thousands of pages of discovery and depositions… as opposed to gleaning all of their information from ratings-driven TV shows that are *designed* to entertain (i.e. emphasize emotion/drama, minimize non-interesting facts). It really makes me worry about juries out there “exercising justice” on the rest of America. But I suppose people like this would be weeded out in jury selection… I hope.

    The problem with (fervant, if not blood thirsty) death penalty supporters is that their arguments are 99% emotional. Every time I read the comments of DP supporters they are always laden with emotion rather than reason. To put it another way, their comments are prone to drama rather than logic. Words and phrases like “monster”, “kill her”, “fry ‘em” seem to appear at a whim. And I am instantly fearful of outcomes that rely on emotion rather than logic for a few reasons. First of all, we have a group within our society that A) usually makes their decisions based on feelings rather than thinking, and B) this same group usually makes mistake after mistake doing so. They are called children. I am therefore prone to suppress emotion on important decisions in hopes of thinking more like an adult than a child. Second of all, in the course of human history, we have gone through what most would call “civilization” (and/or “evolution”) and learned to suppress (if not tame) emotions and feelings in favor of reason and thought. A short and simple timeline might go like this: cavemen -> inquisition -> witch trials -> women’s suffrage -> racial segregation -> TODAY. This spectrum progresses towards a increase in civilization, accompanied by an upward tendency to use our brains rather than our instincts. In other words, we act LESS like animals and MORE like humans. Every time I hear pro-DP arguments it sounds like arguments animals themselves would make, if they could. Today we look back at the citizens of Salem and ponder how people could be so illogical and ridiculous. The idea of witches itself is one thing, but the idea of drowning someone to SEE if they are a witch? We look back on those times, and people, with a sense of superiority and evolution. How far we have come! But I wonder if people 200 years from now will look at us, in our adoption of the death penalty, and think “how funny they kept trying to ‘civilize’ something that is ultimately uncivil by ‘advancing’ from the cross, to the stake, to the chair, to lethal injection.” When I extrapolate the progress of civilization on this front it ends with no death penalty. And since that extrapolation correlates toward reason and away from emotion, I side with it. Death penalty supporters can FEEL their logic for the DP all day long but in the end it is much as a child FEELS that certain things are rewarding when, ultimately, they are not.

    Another large problem with the death penalty supporters is the contradictory nature of their beliefs. I personally don’t want to see another person’s blood shed – period. I can say that I am *against death*. Death penalty supporters, on the other hand, share more than they realize with people like (supposedly) Casey Anthony. Both Casey Anthony (assuming she is guilty) and death penalty supporters believe it is ok to kill someone. You only disagree over WHEN and WHETHER it is “ok” to kill someone. That might seem like a far stretch, but it isn’t. As a thought experiment, if you as a juror sentenced someone to death (incorrectly) would you be ok being executed as a result of murdering that person? Your logic says “those who kill an innocent person should be killed” – so therefore you would rightly and justly deserve to die according to that statement. The death is cold, calculated, pre-meditated, and (by reading comments from most DP supporters) filled with anger and rage. All things that would warrant a death sentence.

    The last (and weakest) argument people give in support of the death penalty is that it is a “deterrent”. This assumes that crime is a calculated decision. It also assumes that those who are prone to crime are also people prone to “think through” or “analyze” alternatives before making decisions. Clearly if someone was to “think through” a crime before committing it they probably wouldn’t. Most evidence for most crimes indicate CONS outweighing PROS. That’s why rational people arrogate themselves as “law abiding citizens” (rather than criminal) – because they clearly (and proudly) realize this. This lack of forethought applies to crimes on the level of petty theft and/or drug use – let alone something as emotional as murder. The assumption is that there MUST be a deterrent so great (torture? hell?) that any would-be murderer will suppress their emotions at an instant, pull out a flow-chart of logic and subdue their otherwise illogical intensions. The point here is that most crime, and definitely murder, is ILLOGICAL. So how can anything requiring logic (i.e. deterrent as a motivator) combat something that has no logic?

    Killing people is animalistic. It seems “natural” to kill someone who has killed someone else. In that sense you are right – it *IS* natural. But along those lines it’s “natural” for a male to mount a female that draws his attention, or for a genetically superior person to take food away from a genetically inferior person (think mentally handicapped). Yet we literally CRINGE at the idea of a man walking up to any women and thrusting himself upon her, or someone stealing food from a mentally deficient person. That cringing feeling? It’s called being human. Some cringed during the witch trials while others did not, yet we all cringe now. What must it have felt like for those who cringed amidst the mob? I can tell you exactly.

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    • Jun 15 2011

      The problem with (fervant, if not blood thirsty) death penalty supporters is that their arguments are 99% emotional.

      Actually, those against the DP are the ones who are emotional about it. Most DP supporters value life to the point that if an innocent life is taken then the guilty murderer should pay with his life. It sends the message to society that life is valuable even if it doesn’t deter murders (which really cannot be proven-numbers don’t lie but those who manipulate them for their agenda do).

      Sorry, but your comment is waaay too long for me to read the rest of it since it started out with a bad presumption about DP supporters which, most likely, was based on emotion.

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  7. Jun 15 2011

    Lovin your blog. Great work.

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    • Jun 19 2011

      Thank you Kelly! Welcome…. :)

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  8. Jun 19 2011

    Hello, all–

    I’m a bit new to this blog, having discovered it only tonight (Saturday 6/18), but I’ve been following this odd case from the first night of Nancy Grace’s show when this odd 911 call came in from a woman about her own daughter. It has gotten more strange, even, since then, hasn’t it? I’m happy to have found some reasonable and intelligent people with whom to talk about this trial….

    To Chris N and Sherry, first– I think you’re both right, in a way. We all use emotion as a way either to sway others or even ourselves to a point of view. It isn’t always misdirected or wrong to express emotion, I think. It’s part of being human. But if an emotional reason becomes one’s only argument, then I would think that the strength of the argument becomes damaged, a bit.

    Where we need to be wary, I think, is in *directing* our powerful emotions AT one another in order to try to win an argument. That has no validity, since it is just an attack on the other person and not part of any reason pro or con in the argument itself. Blogs tend to dissolve all too often into this kind of “discussion” (which is really no discussion at all, if you know what I mean), and I usually get either frustrated or scared and run away. I remember a long “discussion” I once participated in– long ago– on a message board where someone posted a religiious “solution” to whatever the problem was, and then someone else felt offended because they weren’t of the belief that the first person was, and it escalated from there. The blog owner stepped in and threw several people off the board, saying that he just wouldn’t allow that kind of intolerance on his site (and he viewed the initial person as being the most intolerant, by the way). The problem I kept seeing with ALL of it was that it seemed illogical to take an intolerant stance against intolerance. Know what I mean? In general, this seems to me to be a problem with power, in general. It’s only when you’re in a position of power that you can state (or feel that you can state), “We will not tolerate intolerance!”

    it would therefore seem to me that there is no way to *fight* intolerance, war, violent crime, at least not in the sense of opposing them with actions that demonstrate and adhere to the rules of the opposite ways of life that you want to maintain (tolerance, peace, or mutual respect).

    I see this same irony in Jose Baez’s trying to defend Casey Anthony’s innocence by creating lies, breaking laws, and generally hurting other people.

    How is it possible to stand up for goodness by demonstrating in your actions the very things you are against?

    I don’t have any answers, by the way. I just see this part clearly, so far. I don’t know how to “fight against” war, for example, when in our world it seems that trying to embody peace makes a person just, well, not last very long.

    One thing I’d ask you, Knight Owl– and by this I don’t mean that I know the answer– is this: you wrote, “Since Casey judged Caylee and imposed the death sentence on her, shouldn’t it be Caylee’s turn to reciprocate the same death sentence to her Mother? I say absolutely~~”

    But how do you know that Caylee would want the same sentence given to Casey (or to any human being, for that matter)? What do you base that assumption on?

    I honestly don’t know what Caylee would choose, if given the chance. But if Casey had done to *me* this awful thing, I would like to think I would forgive rather than want the same done to her in return.

    So, I probably construct a Caylee in my mind who is like me, who would make the same decisions I think I would, and you construct a Caylee after your own inner thoughts?

    Well, then, if that’s what we do, then how do we ever find justice on this earth?

    If not to ourselves, then to whom can we turn for justice to be defined clearly in this world?

    Personally, I’m not sure I am just categorically against a death penalty. I just haven’t yet seen any case that demands it, though I do feel that if Casey did kill her child (and it looks to me so far as if the evidence is pretty conclusive), then that is a very awful thing to have done. I just don’t know if we solve anything by killing her in return, unless in her remorse she might ask to be killed– to comply with that, so as to even the scales, so to speak, would be just, I’d think. But it would take a remarkable individual who could gain that much enlightenment in their journey through the court case.

    Maybe this is my point, now that I think about it— to me, it isn’t reason or logic or emotion or connectedness that should be the central place from which we make such difficult decisions. It’s from a place of wisdom, which seeks somehow the way to see others not through our own eyes but through some other, higher perspective from which we can see our broken selves, as well.

    I think, bottom line, we can at least establish that if encarceration and execution were going to work, it would have done a better job by now. But it seems to have gone the other way.

    And these (to me) downright heinous things that defense lawyers are willing to do and say, to “win,” are worse than the original crime being examined, because at least if Casey did do it, she did it out of some kind of deep animosity towards her Mother or herself or something recognizably human (not excusable, mind you, just understandable). Some keep jealousy or envy or hatred that pushed her.

    On the other hand, Jose Baez is stating outright, for the whole world to hear, “Roy Kronk is a morally bankrupt individual,” and George Anthony is apparently not only a molester of his own child but so hateful an individual that he would set up his daughter to take the fall for Murder One rather than tell a truth that would break his reputation. — Jose will say these openly in court that will be heard around the world, not becdause he has any proof of it (do you think he would have given his proof by now if he had it?), but because he wants the money and the glory of the win.

    In my book, that is not even understandable as a human action. It’s more heinous than premeditated murder. It is a KIND of premeditated murder, maybe? Granted these people will live on, but their lives will be damaged from Jose’s ruthless words. And, unlike Casey, Jose can’t be touched for saying these heinous things., yet you have defense lawyers on tv arguing that “it’s his job! It’s the system! He HAS to do that!!!” as if that’s not a lie, as well.

    We just have made a mess of it all, haven’t we?

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    • Jun 19 2011

      Welcome to Andrea’s! Well said comment. I agree with what you said about Baez’ motivations. Sadly, he has assasinated the character of both Roy Kronk and George Anthony for his own gain. If this is the truth then I suspect it will one day eat at him with the same mercy he showed these men.

      Please indulge me to address a few things you said in your wonderful comment~

      When I express an opinion, no matter how strongly due to both emotion and life lessons learned, I do not expect to win an argument. I gave that idea up ages ago-like, back in my “Save the Baby Seals” days. I learned to just be a voice-perhaps one day the one I want to see convinced will see the “light”. If not, it may be me who sees the “light” of what they were saying. It rarely happens at the moment of engagement as I have found out. Usually, it is up to years later that the dawning comes. Arguing the point(s) ad infinitum is pointless becoming a turn off.

      IMO, the ones most intolerant are those who cannot tolerate a Christian’s intolerance for immorality. God is not tolerant of it and does not expect us to be. He does say to stop casting pearls before the swine, so to speak, when debating others to His view and truth. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see and none so deaf as those who refuse to hear so just let them alone. Therein lies the tolerance-for those who make the choice to refuse sane counsel. Every true Christian has lived the life of sin and immorality according to God’s high standard so we can empathize with non-christians because we know full well of what we speak. Non-christians cannot tolerate us but they have never been as we are so they know not of what they speak. To speak the truth in love is akin to telling a child not to touch a hot stove and slapping the precious little hand that tries it. But, if the child refuses to listen and turns of adult age and decides to touch the hot stove at least we can say we tried to warn him. He alone gets burned for not heeding wise advice.

      You say:

      If not to ourselves, then to whom can we turn for justice to be defined clearly in this world?

      In God’s Word are clearly defined Ten(der) Commandments. It is a standard that has not been overcome in all the centuries of earth’s existance. All religions since religions became the norm throughout mankind has embraced these laws. They fit perfectly for both Jews and non-Jews. if we have man setting the standard according to man’s ideas of what that should be for living amongst one another in peace and trust it will be erratic according to the whims of the times and chaotic because each man has his own ideas of what the standard should be. God’s Laws are timeless and are good for even those who do not desire to believe in God or a god. It is the absolute best standard to line up our laws to for the pursuit of justice. Man is an erring soul so we cannot expect perfection-this is the place for tolerance-not for the practiced immorality but for the work of avoiding it even though erringly.

      I really like what you say here!:

      Maybe this is my point, now that I think about it— to me, it isn’t reason or logic or emotion or connectedness that should be the central place from which we make such difficult decisions. It’s from a place of wisdom, which seeks somehow the way to see others not through our own eyes but through some other, higher perspective from which we can see our broken selves, as well.

      So, that’s my heart-felt opinion!~ :mrgreen:

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      • Jun 19 2011

        Sherry! Your words are so wonderfully eloquent….I love when you write like this. :)

        You speak clearly about human nature, and our imperfections, and Ted’s words that you quote above are lovely and so true. To have the humility to be able to see when we’re so off our path and broken, is God’s gift that enables us to change. Change is difficult, and hard, but possible. If we all had mirrors to really see ourselves in, it would make all the difference in the decisions we make. If a decision we make hurts another person when there is a clearly another way out, that is not an honorable path. Granted, sometimes its difficult to avoid hurting someone a little bit, but to hurt someone as Casey Anthony is hurting her father, and her family, is vile. But, she has vile thoughts – that’s her cross that her family must bear. It’s wrong in every way – it will not be lost on the jurors, I think.

      • Jun 19 2011

        I like what you just said about human nature and about intentionally hurting others. I agree that the jurors will clearly see the little twerp for who she really is. Sometimes, i wonder if the DP would be an act of mercy for her parents. If it weren’t for them, I’d say, hey! You took the right of life from Caylee so shall your right to live be taken away. The Anthonys can’t take much more heartache…

      • Jun 19 2011

        Hi Sherry, I know…. I cannot imagine them living with the knowledge that Casey faces death. I just read a very good column in the Orlando Sentinel, written by Mike Thomas, regarding capital punishment. I agree with him that in a democratic society the death penalty does not align with our supposed values as a country. And, because it’s so dependent upon the skill of the lawyer, and we know that justice is not always fair. This trial is getting so much hoopla, but her attorney’s don’t rise to the level of the hoopla. They are an embarrassment.
        Here’s the article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-mike-thomas-casey-anthony-061911-20110618,0,1598783.column

      • Jun 19 2011

        That was a good article. However, on the side you can find a link to vote on it and I (you guessed it) voted that I do not agree with him. Two of the cases he cited deserved the death penalty, imo, but! they may very well have been remorseful-something we haven’t seen with Casey (and could we trust it if we do?).

    • Jun 19 2011

      Hi Ted! What wonderful comments – thank you for sharing your passions here. I share each of your beliefs. Especially what you say about Jose being in this for the win, no matter what it takes. As an “Officer of the Court” Baez is not an upstanding representative. Neither is Mason, for that matter. What this despicable crew is doing to George Anthony is well beyond the pale, unfortunately it’s not illegal – I wish it were. The only good thing? The defense can’t get this information into the trial unless Casey testifies, and that would be crazy. So, the State will remind the jurors, during closing arguments, that the Defense did not keep their promise and the words of Mr. Baez were unproven. If the lawyer is not credible, it stands to reason the client is not either. They will be in big trouble if they cannot prove these claims – so, sadly, Caylee is leaving on the defense team, some of the words she died with: “BIG TROUBLE” comes in big packages of Karma!

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  9. mr anderson
    Jul 25 2011

    what is wrong with people.is everyone deaf n blind,,do you not/can you not see through or read `in between the lines,or listen carefully,take note whats happening for real?.is not the answer from 12 neutral folk who sat n heard/observed details returning their verdicts meaningless?? do you people “really“ want to `kill` someone becuase its what `you` think they deserve?? can you not see they have encounterd enough,,what if it happend to your familly. would you still blurt/want the same..yeah, of course you would,,but the state, mr perry and caseys team sifted through people who where biased,and dismissed them because they where so intent and could not change their minds.becuase of the popularity the case drew with folk `speculateing` thier wants and drawing attention,,mr perry,mrs mason to name but two are experienceing some bad times,,and if someone spoiled my lunch break,or called my house phone,i would do all i could to see these folk would be keeping a certain hotel occupied for the same period casey did,..get real people..get a life, not somebody elses

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  10. Mister B
    Nov 17 2011

    Death sentence is what we need to progress as a society. We cannot evolve with this kind of people on the loose. Unfortunately, putting an end to their lives is the only solution.

    Sometime, i question myself: “am,i a monster if i think that way?” and the answer is still “NO”. Who is the monster? Me? Or the real monsters out there beating their 3 year old son with a baseball bat? Think about it.

    All the murderers must perish, for the improvement of humanity, for our future and our values.

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  11. Kathleen
    Dec 9 2011

    I say if they do the crime then they should have to pay the consequences no matter what. Should it be a death sentence or life in prison

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    • Kathleen
      Dec 9 2011

      If your guilty then you do the time

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  12. Kathleen
    Dec 9 2011

    Do you know what’s wrong with this world today?to much yapping and no doing it takes anywhere between ten to twenty years to put someone to death. If that the case then the goverment be better off not even having a death pentely

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  13. Mar 22 2012

    I was so HAPPY to hear Ana Maria Cardona was re-arrested for killing her child, and then given the death penalty. It urks me that she was ever set free though. I can only imagine how her poor baby suffered in his short life. I have a little grandson who just turned 1(about 2 weeks ago), and I could not imagine doing anything to hurt him, much less actually trying to cause him (or any child and/or animal) pain. Ms. Cardona should have been executed years ago. Granted there are some cases where murder is justified … self defense, protecting your family, etc., but when a woman tortures and kills her own child, they can’t pull the switch fast enough, the way I see it.

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  14. Apr 12 2014

    These women are all monsters, and i think they should die the same way their victims died not on death row!

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