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April 30, 2010

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order in this court today

by Andrea O'Connell

Judge Belvin Perry

Today’s hearing in the Casey Anthony case was fascinating.

Casey Anthony looked more than a little somber today.  Her hair has gotten long and it was pulled back in a neat pony-tail.

The trial date is still set to begin May 9, 2011.

How to compare the courtroom of Judge Perry and Judge Strickland?  To me, it was akin to the different air of War and Peace and The Great Gatsby. Masterpieces both, though starkly different atmosphere and tone.

The tone today?  Solemn and heavy-heeled versus the lilting, impetuous, ragtime with Judge Stickland.

The pall and pause over the court was not quite timorous, but felt apprehensive during a discussion of the penalty phase of the case.  Today, the reality seemed to sink in – yes; this case is moving forward.

Judge Perry asked the parties to guesstimate about how long their case-in-chief would be.  The State replied: 3 to 4 weeks. The Defense: 3 weeks. And then, the Judge asked, if there is a finding of First Degree Murder, and “if there is” a penalty phase, how long would it last?  The state said: 1 day.  The Defense: 1 week. The pause after this discussion was palpable in the air.

Another topic of interest, the number of witnesses each side will call.  The State has a list of 250 persons, 90 of which the state asserted that the  Defense will want to depose.  Will the defense only depose 90 versus all 250? That remains to be seen.

Also discussed was the need for sequestering the jury, once they were seated.

Jose Baez made if clear the defense is opposed to a sequestered jury, and mentioned that the type of juror they want would not take kindly to being sequestered.

Perhaps the defense has in mind a younger juror who would be loath to be without their computers, IPhones, TV and radio for nearly two months?

The plugged-in Generation Y-er’s are truly Casey’s peers. They are the impetuous and impulsive “I want it now” generation who grew up with technology.

Are they less law-abiding?  No.  Will they be less lenient?  Doubtful.   Gen Y’s have souls and spirit and sense and are just as unforgiving of  murder as the rest of us.

Gen Y’s are smart, but they have a need to be connected and will hate to be disconnected from the Internet. This is pure speculation on my part, but it appears this just may be the model juror for the defense, however, it would be difficult for most in this group to handle being sequestered.  If this is the model juror for the defense, how will they deal with this? Time will tell.

George and Cindy Anthony were present with their attorney, Brad Conway.  If Casey acknowledged her parents today, it was beyond the view of the courtroom camera.

Cindy Anthony (who was not chewing gum) could be seen kissing the air and mouthing “I love you” to Casey.

The cameras did not reveal if the words were said to the back of Casey’s pony-tail, or if she briefly glimpsed back at her parents to catch the blown kiss.  Perhaps she caught it as she was being escorted out?

Sad.  So pitifully sad.

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  1. auntdeedee
    Apr 30 2010

    It was interesting to watch the hearing today. Baez was still unprepared but with an air of professionalism in his unpreparedness this time. I noticed that Judge Perry did not give Baez a chance to say many “ums” before he would interrupt him and get down to business. No more excuses for not getting anything done! Especially those depos.

    Yes, Casey looked sober today. A bit of a giggle at the start but when the Judge entered the courtroom, no more messing with her hair and pulling at her blouse. It had to have been boring for her what with not being able to draw on her pad of paper-guess she didn’t want to get caught drawing a cartoon of Judge Perry…

    This trial may not take place for another year but we will see plenty of action before the trial does start-like every 45 days to make sure everything is going along smoothly. I wonder if Mason has had a little talk with Baez about coming to court prepared next time-like “bring that dayplanner with ya, yer a lawyer, for criminy sakes!”

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    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      LOL!! Love it, Dee. I am on my way out the door this morning to work; running late because I wanted to address what Christine had to say and now have no time to say a proper “hello” to you…. LOL..I’ll catch you on the flip side of the morning…

      hugs!!!!

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    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      okay…now I can send you a proper reply, dee! I had an event this morning to go to, a Mentor/Protege program that I am involved with – I’m a Mentor…LOL… And in just a little bit, I’m heading off to the airport to pick up a friend who’s coming in from NYC to spend a couple of days with me… I’m taking a few days off of work, which is such a blessing!

      Anyway, I thought that about Baez, too, (that he was really trying to put on his game face and be professional at yesterday’s hearing).

      And yeah, all those depos he has to take… And, how about the fact the defense is still going to try to get those TES records???? They are going to try a third time? I say, give it a rest…

      You crack me up!

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      • auntdeedee
        May 1 2010

        A mentor, huh? Wjhat an honor that is! You have fun and enjoy those days off.

        NeJame, from what I have read, is going to file a motion to get Baez and company’s butt in gear and get those records perused-enough is enough! Baez can make another motion, but Judge Perry said that all prior motions will stand. Good luck, Baez!

      • Andrea
        May 2 2010

        Hi Dee… Yah, I’m a mentor! LOL! I was last year, too. It’s a nice experience because I always learn so much in the process… I’ll have to blog about it, too… Last night, my BFF came in to visit from NYC, she’s here with me until Wednesday…. I’m taking her to see some good Florida theatre today! We’re doing a matinee, then an evening performance of two shows that have gotten raves here.

        ohhh, I am so glad that Perry said all prior motions would stand! Good for him.. these motions that keep coming back about TES are a waste of time when we know they will be disallowed…. this is the US, the last time I looked, and people’s privacy means something, still.

  2. Christine
    May 1 2010

    Any judge that is frequenting ANY blog that pertains to a case he is overseeing SHOULD be dismissed.

    I mean, come on.. you just said how the internet is a “social” attraction to a younger crowd, yet here’s a man that holds a woman’s life in her hands and he’s visiting this biased blog.

    Give me a break.

    Blogs, like twitter are forms of conversating outside the norm and usually under an assumed name so others don’t know who the person really is… is that judge like behavior.

    No, it isn’t.

    Whether Casey is guilty or not, she deserves to be treated with respect and that OBVIOUSLY isn’t being done here.

    You called her deceased child a “snot nosed brat” insinuating that’s how her mother saw her and you have no idea if that is how Casey saw her daughter.

    What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty??

    The media assasinates the character and blogs like this encourage it.

    Shame on you Dave!!!

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    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      Christine,
      The law and rules governing the court agree with you. A Judge cannot be biased and should never, ever read a blog. But, at the time, it seemed such an innocent error and was unfortunate that a kind and fair (though loose ) Judge had to recuse himself. However, right is right, and the law is the law and Judge Strickland did the right thing by recusing himself. Yes, Dave got some free publicity for his blog, but Dave has every right to his opinion, as do you, as do I.

      I am sorry for Strickland, he’s a swell Judge, but Casey deserves an impartial Judge and Perry is the one to administer fairness in this case, plain and simple.

      Now, I have every right to state my opinion here as do you. But, frankly, if you want to talk to Dave, why don’t you go to his blog?

      The facts is, I agree with your sentiments, but my blog is not Nancy Grace-like. I am confused as to why your tone is so accusatory here. Who called Casey a “snot nosed brat”? Certainly I did not. Again, if you want to talk to whomever called her that name, you should do so.

      Casey deserves the respect of the court; she IS INNOCENT until PROVEN OTHERWISE in the eyes of the court and that is why our system of justice is the best in the world. Casey’s right as a defendant is to ensure the state proves her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And 12 (hopefully) reasonable jurors will be the fact finders and will have the final say.

      It’s the Jurors who decided this case, not bloggers, not Judges, not lawyers, it’s the Jurors.

      You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, Christine. But, this is the wrong place to vent your anger. We have open discussions here and will not call anyone names.

      I encourage you to come back and talk with us – we all agree with you with regards to the law.

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      • jon
        May 3 2010

        HI Andrea. I seem to remember early on that there was a mention of Casey referring to Caylee as a “snot-nosed brat” in one of her texts to a friend. Something to do with the fact that she couldn’t go clubbing a particular night (boo hoo) becuase she had to stay home with the “snot nosed brat”. You didn’t say it, she did.

        If so, please pass this on to Christine for her information.

      • Andrea
        May 3 2010

        Hey Friend, thanks so much…. We haven’t heard from Christine again, unfortunately, but perhaps she’ll read this…. LOL.. You’re right, she did text that…

        Hope you’re having a Happy Monday! I sure am… 🙂

      • Andrea
        May 3 2010

        Hey, Jon, my friend…..is better. (“Hey Friend” sounds very Nancy Grace-ish.)

    • auntdeedee
      May 1 2010

      Christine, first of all, the Judge did NOT frequent the blog. He never commented there and, no, he never had lunch with Dave, either. He came across the blog because of a motiuon containing other blogs, of which he had to research since it was concerning change of venue, read a few of the articles and then said Dave had a fair blog comparatively.

      Secondly, have you read the articles listed in that motion to recuse Judge Strickland? Most likely not or you would have seen how fair and UNBIASED Dave really is. He does not allow for Anthony bashing or defense bashing. He has stood up for the defense many times! He is objective in his writings on the case. I left other blogs because they did nothing but bashing the Anthonys and Casey.

      If you would just investigate before you castigate!

      BTW, Casey called her daughter that to Tony Rusciano in a text. Read up on the docs, please.

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      • Andrea
        May 1 2010

        Thank you so very much for setting the record straight, Dee. Yes, absolutely…. the Judge did not frequent Dave’s blog, I’m sure, though he did peruse it, he said, to understand what the tenor of the public’s debate over the case could be, with regards to his upcoming decision to change the venue. And, you’re absolutely correct, Dave does not allow for any bashing of the family, or biased comments of Casey, as do some of the other bloggers, myself included, sometimes allow. And, OMG… what a memory you have! I knew that I’d heard “snot nosed brat” before, it was in the texts from Casey!! I couldn’t imagine Dave writing that…

        I think Christine will see the light if she’d really read what Dave has to say. She will realize that Dave is fair and impartial…as most of the blogs I read are. And it’s true, Dave just got used here… he did nothing whatsoever to bring this on himself, for crying out loud!

        Regardless, the case will move forward with a firmness and a tone that will serve Casey Anthony well, in the end. Though I am a great fan of Judge Strickland as a Jurist, having Judge Perry is a better fit for this case…. I truly believe Perry will make rulings that follow the letter of the law, and err on the side of the law in every sense, not to say Strickland would not have done so, but Perry is no-nonsense, hard but fair….. that’s what Casey needs, in my opinion.

  3. Christine
    May 1 2010

    Maybe Casey’s demeanor was differant in court because the judge on the case if finally a PROFESSIONAL and deserves that respect right back.

    I think Casey will FINALLY start to get a fair trial and IF she is guilty, the courts will be allowed to PROVE that without all the “circus” court crap we’ve been seeing in the media.

    I am so sick of hearing Nancy Grace’s overly exaggerated tone when reporting. The media has become a source of entertainment rather than reporting.

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    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      Christine,

      Turn Nancy Grace off. Change the channel. That’s what I do. Don’t read blogs that upset you. I don’t.

      You will not get an argument from me about fairness, I want Casey to get a fair trial… she MUST have a fair trial or the case will be re-tried and we don’t want that.

      Frankly, it was and is her defense attorney’s creating all the stories… they are fanning the media flames, Christine. Open your eyes and see and read what Baez says and does… the hype he causes. He’s very blatantly trying to infect the jury pool so he can assert, down the road, that the media circus would not allow for fair jurors. He (Baez) wants the case tried in Miami) Judge Perry will see what Baez is doing and will put an immediate stop to it. This Judge will not put up with it, thank god.

      We will see justice done, Christine. Don’t you worry.

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    • auntdeedee
      May 1 2010

      Christina, did you know that it was Jose Baez’ daughter, Christina Baez, who notified the national news medias? Its written in her resume. She got the circus started.

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      • Andrea
        May 1 2010

        Yup, that’s right, Dee. She did exactly that.

  4. Molly
    May 1 2010

    I just want to say that Judge Strickland was checking on the blogs because several blogs were referenced in the motion for change of venue. You can read that motion & see all of the attachments from the blogs, I know because one of my posts is in it. His only mistake here that i can see is complimenting dave on his blog.
    Baez seems to be reading the blogs constantly as he keeps referring to them in comments he makes. Cheney mentioned them yesterday again in their interview after the hearing. This whole situation about the blogs is almost laughable because the percentage of people on them from anywhere in Florida (potential jurors) is so small it is basically irrelevant.

    For the record Casey did refer to caylee as the such & such brat, it’s in her texting documents.

    I like judge strickland & thought he bent over backward to be fair to casey. He gave baez much more free rein in his courtroom. It looks like i’m gonna like judge perry too, though different than strickland. I’m glad that he is forcing attorney baez to give the judge, the court & the whole proceedings the respect, dignity & honor that it deserves, though being a member of the legal profession & in frequent business with the court he would know that & would have acted accordingly by showing respect.
    jmo

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    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      Hi Molly, Thanks for your input. Yes, I agree with you that Judge Strickland’s only mistake was complimenting Dave on his blog. And it was a nice thing to do, certainly, but he should never have done it. Judge’s must only base their thinking on what is right under the law – not what’s written in the media. Now, I know darn well that Judge Strickland would never be biased over what he’s read on a blog. However, it’s the “appearance” of impropriety that is highly suspect, and is an error that the defense HAD to point out, once they found it. The fact is, if there is a record of the Judge’s comments on a court transcript somewhere, my understanding is that if, after the case is said and done and Casey is found liable, that statement by the judge could be reversible error and would be cause for re-trial.

      I like Judge Strickland, too. He was fair and he was impartial, I agree with you Molly. But, this is only my singular opinion, Judge Perry is a better fit as he will keep the defense team in line.

      I don’t know why, but I didn’t’ read the motion in full, just skimmed it. At the time, it made me so mad that I didn’t want to go there…….. I am going to read it now…….

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  5. Boston
    May 1 2010

    Auntdeedee-Mr Baez’s daughter was a college student in July 2008. She reportedly spoke to the press on or about July 24, 2008 about the necessity of bonding Caylee out of jail and how the Bond, in her opinion, was “outrageous”.
    Don’t you know by now how easy it is to get your name in the Orlando press and your face and comments on the evening news?

    She is presently employed somewhere in Fl and part of her job description is investigating journalists. Beyond that I don’t have any information leading me to believe she plays any significant role in Fl v Anthony. To say that she was the ” one who got the circus started” is patently false.

    You believe it is a circus. Many of us have described pretrial as a circus. But when we decide to give that worn out term a rest we will be closer to the truth-Casey Anthony has been charged with the murder of her only child, Caylee Marie Anthony. It is not a circus event. The more we attempt to insinuate people into this case the less clarity we have. This case is not about bloggers or posters or the defense attorneys’ family.

    It is about finding out who killed Caylee Marie Anthony and punishing the perpetrator of the crime. Nothing more and nothing less.

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    • auntdeedee
      May 1 2010

      Excuse me, Boston, my “circus” comment was in quoting what Christina had called it.

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      • auntdeedee
        May 1 2010

        To clarify, my “circus” reference was toward the media-not the hearings. I am adamant about not calling Baez, Bozo now. I hate seeing my favorite childhood clown being so insulted…j/k!

      • Andrea
        May 2 2010

        Good one, Dee! Love it!

    • Andrea
      May 1 2010

      Hey Boston, Yes, she was a college student at the time and she did get involved in the case…. I remember seeing her college club’s website, it was a marketing college association, I believe, where she posted her accomplishments like a resume. She posted her work on the Casey Anthony case and credited herself as the one who first broke the “story” so to speak. Dee and I are probably thinking about the same thing here… I just know that she was a student at the time that she gave herself credit for getting the media’s attention on the case, in the very beginning.

      Regardless, you’re right that we have called the pretrial goings on a circus, but I do think that it was and continues to be Jose Baez himself (plus his team) who help to fan the flames of this crazy atmosphere, don’t you? It’s awfully clever of the defense to, on one side of their mouths, castigate the media, and on the other side, court them. Quite terrible of them to play like that when their client is in fear of her very life.

      Nope. this case is only about the law, but it does get off on tangents, or so it seems to those of us sitting on the sidelines. Our system of justice is the best in the world and we need to keep it that way and not let this case create precedence for other cases – that will do grave harm down the line if bad motions are granted, or if there is bias that goes unchecked.

      The bottom line, I think we’ll all agree, that it matters not a whit what we think, the only finders of fact will be the 12 jurors. I don’t want them infected by anything in the media and am relieved that they will be sequestered…..

      Anyway…happy weekend!

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  6. auntdeedee
    May 1 2010

    I saved Christina Baez’ linkiden page of which had her resume-the part of her saying she was responsible for contacting the medias for the Caylee Anthony case is gone. A member of linkiden may be able to get in and see the rest of her resume.

    Christina Baez Profile

    I will look for one of my comments, or someone’s, who c&p’d that part and, if I find it, will post it here.

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  7. May 1 2010

    TO THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO KNOW WHAT TONY USE TO REFER TO POOR CAYLEE IS SNOT HEAD L WILL NEVER FORGET THAT.YOUR OWN CHILD YOU CALL SNOT HEAD.CASEY BEGAN CALLING HER THAT AFTER TONY GAVE HER THATA NAME SO AUFULL .PRAY FOR JUSTICE.

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  8. Boston
    May 1 2010

    Auntdeedee-What people say and what actually happened are often time two different things. So she misrepresented the facts and embarrassed herself. She might have wanted a little face time on the evening news but that doesn’t mean she was prepared to handle it. Hopefully she has found a career that she is happy in and that her future holds lots of challenges and rewards.

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  9. Boston
    May 1 2010

    annie-Too the best of my recollection Casey was on the phone with the police officer boyfriend named Tony R. She referred to Caylee as a “snot head”.

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  10. Kitt
    May 1 2010

    Great article, Andrea!

    I agree so much with your speculation of the desired potential jurors by the defense. I didn’t think of it in that light myself, but after reading your thoughts, it does make perfect sense.

    I had to work at the time of the hearing, so I had the DVR set. I ran it from 6:00 a.m. (I’m on the West Coast) to 9:00 and I watched every minute of it. I don’t know how, but I missed the part where Judge Perry made reference to the finding of guilty of first degree murder, and the ensuing penalty phase. How the heck could I have missed that!!?? And I deleted the whole recording after watching! After reading so many ppl comment about that part, I kick myself for having deleted so soon! Well, I’m sure I can watch it on the ‘net.

    Anyway, it’s good to see respect being shown to the court. And good to see things moving along, as well.

    Thanks for a great read, as always!

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    • Andrea
      May 2 2010

      Hey Kitt! Thanks so much, you dear heart. Yup…. I think that’s just the kind of juror Baez wants…. the kind of juror who’s young, maybe plays video games, uneducated but connected via Facebook, Myspace, etc.

      Oh yeah… I am sorry you missed that part… it was when a real pall came over the courtroom… it felt eerie to me. I watched it on the internet….

      Hope you’re enjoying your weekend! I have company in town, my BFF from NYC, so I’m busy as can be but enjoying so much her visit! 🙂

      Talk to you soon

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  11. Molly
    May 1 2010

    Andrea – I totally agree that the jury should be sequestered & away from whatever will be happening outside of the courtroom. I am a bit curious as to why the defense isn’t 100% in agreement about this, especially since they are so worried about media influence, oh and of course bloggers! lol

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    • Andrea
      May 2 2010

      Hey Molly,
      Yes, I know…it’s really odd that the defense in this case would not want a sequestered juror, but then again, they are rather odd, too. LOL!!

      In all seriousness, I think the defense would like nothing better than to keep the jurors un-sequestered – they can then argue later that the media infected them hence a mistrial…. Judge Perry is smarter than this. He would see that coming a mile away.

      The defense, in my opinion, would like nothing better than to infect the media and the jurors with a defense version of events – their own story.

      It’s a tactic that won’t work (I hope!)

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  12. Boston
    May 2 2010
    • Andrea
      May 2 2010

      Hey my friend,
      Thank you for the great link!

      Reply
  13. Boston
    May 2 2010

    Andrea-I went to see Hot Mikado today. What a fantastic show. You would love the music, the dancing and the costumes. Although there was not one singable tune the music was fast paced and fun, fun, fun-especially that gospel number. I have season tickets in the front row ($43) a show. The real deal for theatre outside of Boston. AmerRep. It was 90F in Boston and now I am off to take Daisy Duke for her walk. Had pizza and have to walk myself too!

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    • Andrea
      May 2 2010

      Hey Boston! How fun – the Hot Mikado! I am sure I would have loved it. I just returned from seeing a musical: “Dr. Radio” which made its debut here…. it was marvelous theatre! This afternoon I saw a production of a play called “Distracted” that was recently off-Broadway in NYC….it was marvelous, too. What a lovely day it was. We went to a fine steakhouse and had a great dinner in between shows.

      I am looking forward to having the next three days off to enjoy and catch up with my friend some more…

      (we had pizza today for lunch, too, before the matinee!)

      Love the name “Daisy Duke”…so sweet!

      Reply
  14. jon
    May 4 2010

    Hey Andrea: as long as it’s not “good night friend” then I don’t care. LOL

    Reply

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